Dream Visitors

Posted on September 11, 2007
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Dream visitations It’s fairly late, coming on time for bed, and I am thinking about dreams. Specifically ‘dream visitors’. And this is interesting, because over the years I have had these dreams a number of times. Some good, and some very bad. Dream visitors are those dreams where people or ‘entities’ come into our dream-scape. They stand out from the normal dreams, because firstly the ‘visitors’ are very vivid in one way or another (more on this in a bit), and secondly because the visitors act in a manner that cuts straight into the very center of your being.

Now when I say the dreams are vivid - I don’t necessarily mean visually, they can also leave you with a very vivid sensation. In fact this is a distinction between the ‘good’ and the ‘bad’ types of visitations. The negative ones tend to leave very vivid imagery and dark sensations filled with fear. Whilst the good ones are very difficult to recall any specific detail, yet they leave a safe, joyous feeling.

A few years ago I went through a period whereby some particularly nasty cretins would sneak into my dreams every night. These weren’t nightmares or night-terrors, as there was something far more tangible about them. A person, or people would come into my room, carrying a very threatening vibe with them. It would fill me with dread and fear, and though my eyes would be closed I would know that they / it was there. This carried on for quite some time, leading to all manner of horrid incidents. Eventually I discovered a weapon (in a very literal sense) to ward them of, and to this day, I still keep this weapon nearby. I also learnt that fear was what these beings thrived off, the more fear I fed them - the stronger they would become. A great parable for daily life if there ever was one.

In many ways the positive visitations are much more interesting. Like I said these type are very difficult to recall, they are like a gentle caress within the dream-scape, a soft and warm presence with a level of caring and love that is hard to relate. It is an energy that always embodies itself in feminine form, yet details other than that are vague. I have searched often to discover more about this particular form of visitation, with little real return.

What I do know is that the first type of dreams have an external source, they come from out there.

The warm positive dreams seem to come from inside the heart-energy. Such a profound loving warmth that is entirely within. These visitions are very enlivening and recharging, I like them. Yet they are much more harder to describe than the other types. But that is also true of all forces that come from within.

I have also had a number of other visitations; most notably this wonderful black guy - who would always carry such a vast confidence. I think he was some form of arbitrator, or some such. He would simply sit there and watch, or sometimes talk about the little things in life. Quite strange indeed. I haven’t seen him for a long time.

There are many types of dream-visitations. What sorts have you experienced?

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14 Responses to “Dream Visitors”

Gen on September 12th, 2007 3:48 pm

Hello there. Should I call you Marcus? I just sort of made my way here from Zac’s site (my first time, so I’ll really need to take a look around in the coming days to see what sort of topics you deal with).

Reading this particular entry, I was reminded of my own dream experience in which I encountered something that had me feeling quite fearful. This was about three months ago, and I wonder if the Goetia had something to do with it because some time before heading to bed I was skimming through the various sigil in the Lesser Key of Solomon (I’ve also been doing magic using sigils around this same period, but I really don’t know if there’s any correlation). Several hours later as I lay asleep I had a lucid dream in which I became aware of a vivid image of a circle with various letters and designs surrounding it. I’ve never encountered anything like it; just the lucidity and the vividness of the image, I soon grew afraid. I ended up willing myself to wake up so I didn’t have to see the image.

I do wonder though if the source of the fear was due to my own personal fear of encountering something totally outside my usual experience or was it due to some genuine malignant force. Or if it’s not something in between or… I just don’t know.
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Marcus on September 12th, 2007 4:20 pm

Hiya, nice to hear from you Gen. Yep, Marcus is fine!

Seems to me that there are many things that can influence what we experience during our dreams. I suspect Magic could potentially open you up to all sorts of things. You maybe right about your fear being based on the ‘unknown’, I have had that same thing myself in many dreams.

But at the same time - perhaps that symbol you saw meant something specific. Can you recall any details about it, have you seen it before or since?
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Gen on September 12th, 2007 5:00 pm

At least to my recollection, I haven’t seen it before nor have I seen it since. Perhaps my fear of the experience is preventing it somehow.

I decided to look back in my journal entry for that experience and it seems there was a bit more to it than what I seemed to remember — still nothing which sheds light on what may have happened, just minor details which I forgot and the sequence in which it played out may have got distorted.

I wrote:”In the dream proceeding the appearance of the sigil, I seem to recall being told/telling myself to hold still and not move my body; almost as if so I can relax into whatever was about to happen. At this point, my mind may have dwelt upon some issue of magic or working magic. Then what appeared in my mind was a circle (a white circle with the designs and the outline being black); in a way it looked like some medieval shield… or a sigil, I then thought. When this thought arose, the design seemed to change, and in place of the embroidery were what seemed like a cluster of english alphabets grouped into a form of a circle.”

I then wrote on about how crisp and vivid the image was, which elicited some fear in me. Then I became conflicted between my desire to wake and a desire to control this image, at which point it apparently lost it’s vividness and I awoke. (I should have looked back on this entry earlier.)

But yes, I still don’t know anything. I’m hoping that as I continue my practice I’ll have some sort of answer. Although I do struggle between my desire to know and experience more of existence/reality, yet there’s a lingering fear because (at least this is what I think or tell myself) I don’t know if I’ll be able to handle it.
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Marcus on September 13th, 2007 8:49 pm

Well it certainly sounds as though you were fairly lucid during that dream, and being lucid can cause all sorts of unusual things to occur. I am not saying the dream happened because you were lucid, it could quite easily be the other way around. But the lucidity would certainly be an important factor one way or the other.

It maybe worth trying to recall which types of magic you had been working with at the time just before you had the dream. I once experimented with a particular type of Kundalini Meditation, and it opened me up to some pretty strange (and fairly unpleasant) energy.

Fear is a pretty normal reaction in any of these situations, but it certainly does give the dream / experience a lot more potency.

It’s difficult when you may not be able to recall all the details. But where I would start in thinking about this, would be trying to decide if the symbol was coming from somewhere within you or if it had an external source.

It’s pretty clear that it has a symbolical meaning - after all it couldn’t get much more literal! Sometimes our sub-conscious, ego, Shadow or even our higher-self try these sorts of things to get our attention…
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Gen on September 16th, 2007 9:43 am

Looking at my ritual journal, it seems at the time I did a sigil working (although there’s a note that the two symbols looked nothing alike). Also, as mentioned, that same day I’ve happened to skim through the Goetia, although I can’t say if there’s any correlation to the dream.

During this period much of my thoughts were devoted to the subject of magic. I’ve also been practicing the LBRP on an almost daily basis. (Since then I’ve experienced some things that were a bit strange — unusual static like sounds around my ears, continuously “catching” certain numbers on the digital clock, etc.)

Thanks for the response. I’ve looked around your site a bit and I like what I see.
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Sapphire on September 16th, 2007 4:50 pm

I can’t remember having any really lucid dreams. They all seem to be distorted ones that make no sense most of the time and a few leave me with a good or a bad feeling after I have woken up. I normally don’t have the same dream twice.
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Marcus on September 16th, 2007 9:15 pm

Gen, there’s a good chance that looking through the Goetia had some influence on your dream. If only it simply opened you sub-conscious up to certain symbolism or pathways. Nothing inherently bad about that, but worth keeping in mind.

The fact that you have been practicing rituals like that on a daily basis almost certainly would expand your awareness, (hence hearing and seeing odd things). Focused intent has a way of doing that. Has doing this affected your dreams in anyway?

Thanks for the comments about the site…
Sapphire, a lot of my dreams are actually like that. Very fragmented, with little recollection of them – often the feeling is the most vivid thing I can recall. That said, the time of year does seem to play a large influence for me. In winter I tend to have a lot of lucid dreaming.

I keep meaning to write a post about improving dream recollection. If you are interested, there are a number of things you are try. Clearing our sub-conscious mind will improve your dreams and make them less fragmented. Laying quietly at night before you sleep is a good practice – let your thoughts flow through your mind, but try not to follow them too much.

If you go to the Om Chanting post I wrote, there is some audio you can download. Listen to this – using earphones if you can - whilst you lay in bed, before you sleep. It’s very soothing, a few nights of this and you may find your dreams start taking on a different texture.
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Sapphire on September 17th, 2007 1:52 am

Interesting idea though I might end up hearing Om chants in my dreams.
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Gen on September 17th, 2007 7:30 am

Once in a while I’ll have dreams that make me wonder if the rituals are having some effect on them. But I believe the majority of my dreams still fall into the ordinary; but then there are the rare dreams that makes me wonder.

I’ve had several such dreams all in the month of July — and haven’t had since then, at least to my conscious recollection. The first two involved events concerning people I have no connections or history with, and the last involved a friend of mine.

Originally after waking, I just thought the dreams to be strange but left a few brief notes regarding it since it left an impression on me nonetheless. Following the first of these dreams, I wrote, “hundreds of miles away”, “sea tower that once stood at Ward”, and “explosion.” I was lazy and that’s all I jotted down, but within 24 hrs. I happened to see a news report which made me pause. There was a plane landing accident somewhere in Europe and one of the control towers was struck and there was perhaps an explosion. Definitely not in exact accordance with the images in the dream for the location of the dream involved a local area which I’m familiar with, but the meaning and the similarity in the theme of the dream made me a bit nervous.

The next dream followed three or five days after this. In it I was on a bus and we were about to get swept away in a very strong current of water (in the dream it looked like a river under a concrete bridge)but I managed to “will” myself against the current and make it back to safe ground. Less than 24 hours later I happen to be watching the news and my attention was caught immediately by the report of a family who were spending time at the beach; their little boy was swept away by the currents and drowned despite the father trying to rescue him.

The last of the series involves a friend who was away on a trip at the time. I can’t recall the exact sequence or the images involved but I do remember that my friend looked very withdrawn and depressed and I got the impression that this meant things weren’t going well for him on his trip. Leaving out personal details aside, on his return he confirmed that things didn’t turn out the way he’d wanted but that he was “fine” with it — I doubt that somehow.

I don’t know for sure if these dreams are in any way related to the real events but they were certainly odd for me. What strikes me is that the images I see doesn’t exactly correspond with the real events, but the underlying meaning with the general images of the dream and the feeling and impression it left on me seem to match the real events.
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Marcus on September 22nd, 2007 9:13 pm

Bit of a delay in responding to you, I have been away for a few days!

Well to me, those dreams certainly sound prescient. I mean the first time you can just put down to chance. Twice is somehow more than coincidence, but three times!

I wouldn’t put too much on the fact that what you saw in the dream didn’t correspond to the physical environments of the real events. Your mind is simply interpreting the information it has accessed in its own way.

I don’t know if this has ever happened to you, but sometimes I am asleep and my alarm-clock will go off. Except I don’t wake up immediately, and my sub-conscious will interpret the alarm in an odd way. I will dream, of a truck reversing or something like that.

Most visions (and some premonitions) are actually like this. It is also why there is that adage of not being able to fully understand prophecy until the event as passed. On the one level we are accessing future, past or distant events. On the other level we aren’t physically there, so our mind has to “fill in the gaps” so to speak.

I wouldn’t worry too much about prescient dreams - it’s not likely you will have them constantly. All these sorts of phenomena tend to happen whenever we take another step of spiritual growth.
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Laura Wagner on November 17th, 2007 1:24 pm

I am happy to have found this website. This is not the sort of thing you can discuss with many peoople. I’ve tried discussing it with my friends and now they think I am crazy.

The dreams are not as disconcerting as meeting the visitor before and sometimes after the dream state. On occasion I can actually see them entering or leaving my room. They will either sit on my bed or lie down next to me. I am a christian with a strong faith and don’t have any fear of these encounters (God is almighty). Those visitors that do appear to me are there for mischief and I know I am in for a rough night. They try to frighten me and somethimes speak to me. At this juncture I force myself awake and move to another bed. I had a positive occurrance two weeks ago and have not had any more bad visitors. Visitors are still coming, I know they are there but they do not try to interact with me they just go about weaving their dreams and leave me alone. I have been successful at programming myself to “wake” inside my dream and ask questions, sometimes I get answers.

What I would like to know is what “weapon” you use to get rid of them. I don’t mind my benign visiors but in caes those nasty characters come back I want to be prepared.

Thanks for your help and understanding.

Wags
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Marcus on November 17th, 2007 2:32 pm

Hi Laura, nice to hear from you! Talking about these experiences with people certainly can be problematic as you point out. In many cases people don’t even pay much attention to their dreams, so I suppose it isn’t too surprising that these sorts of experiences are a bit beyond their scope of accepting.

The weapon I found - although literally a weapon - is more important because of its personal symbolic meaning. It is a katana, or Samurai Sword. Swords have a special deep meaning to me. The visitations kept occurring, until the day I found this sword and kept it next to my bed. I then gained the ability to manifest this sword into my dream-scape when these visitors would appear.

But like I said, it isn’t about violence. It is the symbolic meaning. For me, the sword is a talisman or charm. Other people may use a religious symbol or item of personal meaning / value. I simply found that such symbols, when kept nearby whilst you sleep - grant you a certain ‘power’ or ‘protection’ for want of better words.

Hope that is of some help to you.

Also, I find it really interesting that you ask questions whilst dreaming. I think that is a fantastic oppertunity and idea, and will be trying it out for myself!
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Laura Wagner on November 17th, 2007 10:49 pm

Hello Marcus,

Thank you for the advice. I’ll give manifestation a try.

Once I started talking my experiences escalated in frequency and took on a different character. It’s almost as if you become more “valuable” to them. You may also want to reach out and touch something in your dream. For example, stop to pick up a rock, or put your hand out to feel a wall. You will be quite surprised. It may upset your dream mates.

I’ve been thinking about giving a dreamcatcher a try. Maybe the early american Indians were on to something!

Sweet Dreams.
Laura
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Marcus on November 18th, 2007 2:12 pm

The Indians were undoubtably onto something. There has been a great deal of knowledge lost in our materialistic and scientific age.

When touching things in dreams I have always been amazed at the vivid level of detail they possess. I once stopped to pick up some small stones - and they felt more real than real. Quite a powerful experience.
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